NEWS FROM
THE CLAN DONNACHAIDH DNA PROJECT
2006 – No 1
Introduction
The
Clan Donnachaidh DNA project was set up in December
2002. It now has 172 participants representing the most numerous clan surnames
– Robertson, Reid and Duncan – with some associated surnames.
Most
participants have been recruited through the Clan Donnachaidh
Society but the results from a group taking part in the National Geographic
Survey were incorporated in 2005 and some people have joined separately.
So
far participation has been on the basis of personal interest and there has been
no targeting of specific groups or locations. Perhaps because of this, it has
taken some time for patterns to emerge.
Assessing
the results by name and place
Individual
results provide a certain amount of information but they can be put into
context by comparing them with other results – particularly those of people
with the same surname – and in considering their historical location.
Many
participants have been delighted to achieve genetic matches that establish
links across the centuries. Some general patterns are beginning to emerge.
There are some close matches between various groups of
The
reason for this may become apparent as more results come in. One possibility is
that in 1881, according to the census index, there were approximately 40,900 Robertsons, 23,700 Reids and
18,800 Duncans living in
This
is a complex subject, where new discoveries are being made all the time. If you
want more technical background, an easy website to follow is that of DNA
Heritage, a testing company based in
Results
Participants
receive a list of 12, 25 or 37 values for their genetic markers (their haplotype) and in many cases an indication of their haplogroup and the names of genetic matches. In links on
each home page, Family Tree DNA explains its stringent standards for accepting
genetic matches, pointing out that these are based on averages and
probabilities and that the estimated number of generations to the most recent
common ancestor has to be increased in the case of people who have different
surnames.
Haplogroups
The first thing to consider when analysing results is each participant’s
haplogroup. People who belong to different haplogroups cannot be related in the male line within
thousands of years.
Haplogroups may be described as the branches of the tree. They
are identified by the letters from A to R, with some subdivisions, and reveal
mankind’s path round the world, since the first exodus from
Most
of the Clan Donnachaidh samples are assessed as Haplogroup R1b1 and 14 come into Haplogroup
I. Two participants (Reids) come into Haplogroup R1 (the ancestral haplogroup
of R1a and R1b). Haplogroup R1 is found only at very
low frequencies in Europe, Central Asia, and
Haplogroup R1b is the most common haplogroup
in European populations. It is common on the west Atlantic coast up to
Haplogroup I is found across central Europe and up into
Scandinavia; it is particularly common in north-west
The
other major European haplogroup, R1a, is common in
eastern Europe and has also spread across into central Asia and as far as
These
haplogroups are associated with population groups
that were separated from each other during the last Ice Age, when thick glacial
ice covered most of northern
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Ice age |
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(Reproduced by permission of DNA Heritage) |
The
map shows the location of European populations during the last Ice Age,
18 000 years ago.
As
the ice began to retreat and the land became more supportive to life, the
populations began to move north again, following the migration of game north.
The
last great Ice Age covered the period from around 70,000 to 12,000 years ago.
There were times during this period when the climate improved sufficiently for
hunting bands to follow mammoth, rhino, reindeer and wild horses into the
southern part of
These
first resourceful Mesolithic settlers lived by hunting and fishing. Farming
arrived in
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Spread of Haplogroups
R1b, I and R1a (12,000 years ago) |
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(Reproduced by permission of DNA
Heritage) |
The
main Clan Donnachaidh haplogroup
is R1b. This was first brought into
The
Anglo-Saxons and Danes also brought in descendants of the R1b haplogroup who had moved north through the eastern parts of
One
indication of continental R1b ancestry may be values of 23 and 11 for DYS 390
and DYS 391 markers. These results are particularly frequent along the coastal
areas of the
There
are some participants with this 23/11 result but it is not common among Clan Donnachaidh participants. It is not possible even to guess
at present whether it represents ancestors who arrived in a longboat or an
unusual native variant.
Haplogroup I, which moved up through central Europe, came into
It
seems most likely that the ancestors of the Haplogroup
I participants arrived by sea, as invaders who stayed to farm. There is,
however, a possibility that a particular I haplotype
that is found in populations that have experienced little or no continental
input may also represent an early population.
It
is not possible to say at present how the R1 group arrived. Known ancestors
lived in
The
general picture will become clearer as more results become available for
analysis.
Haplotypes
Haplotypes are the individual
combination of 12, 25 or 37 markers as set out in the test results.
Mutations
in these markers occur but they are not common. Some markers are known to have
a tendency to mutate more quickly than others. However, any marker can mutate
at any time and there is no way of predicting this. Consequently, to provide an
indication of the likely haplotype of a common
ancestor, a picture of several branches of the same family has to be built up.
A mutation in a particular branch (it is possible for two brothers to have a
slightly different result) will identify the haplotype
of that particular line as it will be perpetuated among the man’s descendants.
Comparison
of haplotypes with paper genealogy can confirm
whether a family tree has been constructed correctly.
A
match on 12 or 25 markers means the participants concerned share a common ancestor.
If they have the surname the ancestor may be relatively recent. If they do not,
the ancestor may be much more distant.
Some
participants have requested to see results from all matches and may have
received a list of a number of different surnames. This can be helpful in
revealing how the haplotype is shared and where it
can be found but it also shows that the link with the people concerned predates
your family’s surname. With certain 12- or even 25-marker R1b haplotypes, it may be an indication that your haplotype is fairly common.
One
difficulty is that Haplogroup R1b is the commonest haplogroup in western Europe. One group of six markers
known as the Atlantic Modal Haplotype, because it is
particularly common along the Atlantic side of
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Atlantic Modal Haplotype |
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DYS 393 |
DYS 390 |
DYS 19 |
DYS 391 |
DYS 388 |
DYS 392 |
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13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
12 |
13 |
The
similar haplotype below and all its one-step
neighbours account for about 18% of the European population, and nearly 33% in
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DYS393 |
DYS390 |
DYS19 |
DYS391 |
DYS389i |
DYS389ii |
DYS392 |
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13 |
24 |
14 |
11 |
13 |
29 |
13 |
(Note
that these markers do not represent the first six or seven markers tested by
Family Tree DNA. You will have to select the relevant markers if you want to
compare your results with them.)
Perhaps
Scottish families should not worry too much about comparisons with men in
All
this having been said, there are several groups of good
Genealogy
DNA testing is not a substitute for genealogical research. It has to be
used in combination with traditional research methods, to prove or disprove
links, determine relationships and provide clues for further research.
Some
very good matches among various
In
another instance, a theory that two
It
is not yet clear why there are so many closely matching
There
has already been an encouraging 12-marker match (one half of the match was
tested for only 12 markers) between two Robertson families who came from
Aberdeenshire settlements that are not very far apart.
The general
pattern of results
There
are some groups emerging that are not close enough to be a good genealogical
match but which one day may perhaps be identified as significant groupings in a
particular area. It is hoped that more information will emerge and we will be
able to report on this.
So
far there are very few close matches among the Robertsons
and Reids. More comparisons of specifically chosen
results are required.
The
general trend so far is that there is no significant majority group of related
participants within Clan Donnachaidh or within any
individual surname. Whether this would change if we obtained results from more
people with origins in specific locations remains to be seen. We also still
have to discover what this signifies in the formation of clan surnames.
However,
a very interesting discovery about one particular group of participants emerged
only recently.
DNA in the news: a very successful
Irishman
You may remember reading that
genetic research has revealed that 16 million men in
Researchers
at
They
calculated that the common ancestor was likely to be the founder of the Uí Néill dynasty: Niall of the Nine
Hostages, High King at
The
researchers checked their results against international databases. Here they
had to use a truncated result for purposes of comparison. They found a match
among about 2% of European-American New Yorkers, which could be easily
explained by large-scale emigration from
They
estimated that worldwide there could be perhaps two to three million males
descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages.
This
becomes of interest because some Clan Donnachaidh
participants have a similar haplotype. In the 19th
century, the Historiographer Royal, W.F. Skene,
suggested that the Clan Donnachaidh chiefs might be
descended from Crinan, Abbot of Dunkeld,
presumed to be of the kindred of St Columba. St Columba was the great-grandson
of King Niall, and the abbots of the abbeys founded by Columba were
traditionally chosen from founder’s kin. The
So
far we have only two results from people with an established line of descent
from the chiefs of Clan Donnachaidh. These results
support a descent from Niall of the Nine Hostages, which would also support Skene’s theory. However, given the lack of information about
the earls of Atholl in the 12th and 13th centuries
and the very large number of King Niall’s descendants, other possibilities
should not be ruled out. In the last Clan Donnachaidh
annual James Irvine Robertson argued for a return to traditional clan histories,
which recalled a link with the Macdonalds, a link
that was also recorded by the Macdonalds. A different
explanation will have to found for any Macdonald connection – genetic testing
has revealed that the Macdonald chiefs descended from Somerled
are Norse in origin (R1a) and thus not even in the same haplogroup
as King Niall (R1b). However, there may still be some link with the Macdonalds, combined with a later male-line descent from
Niall than the descent from Crinan. Descent from Crinan is undoubtedly part of the chiefly-line genealogy,
but this could also have passed through the female line.
There
are other Clan Donnachaidh participants whose results
match the Uí Néill haplotype. It should be made clear that the haplotype identified in the survey comprises 17 markers,
only 11 of which are covered by Family Tree DNA tests. If you have a match on
these 11 markers, it would appear quite probable that you are descended from Niall
of the Nine Hostages through Niall’s descendants who came to
At
present it is not possible to assume this also means descent from any of the
chiefs of Clan Donnachaidh unless you already know
that you are descended from one of the chiefs. We have confirmed results from
only two chiefly line descendants who are closely related and a much wider
range of results is needed to identify the ancestral haplotype.
Although many of the senior lines of the chiefly cadet houses have died out,
there are still some descendants of younger sons. All those that have been
noted to date bore the surname Robertson. The one exception is the Reids of Straloch, but they too
eventually resumed the surname Robertson. It seems none of these younger sons
and their descendants settled in Perthshire; they pursued careers in the army
and the Church, and as merchants in places like
Also,
given that Niall of the Nine Hostages has an estimated two to three million
descendants, there are probably a number of descendants who have closely
matching marker values by coincidence. If you match the Uí
Néill haplotype but do not
know your distant ancestry, you are probably descended from Niall of the Nine
Hostages but at present it is not possible to say through which of the very
numerous lines of descent.
There
are 12 participants (with different surnames) who match on the 11 markers used
in the original survey (though some of these do not have results that cover all
11). There are at least 19 (also with different surnames) who have a one-step
variation. Matching participants tested in
The haplotype
that indicates probable descent from Niall of the Nine Hostages as published in
the original study
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DYS19 |
DYS388 |
DYS390 |
DYS391 |
DYS392 |
DYS393 |
DYS434 |
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14 |
12 |
25 |
11 |
14 |
13 |
9 |
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DYS435 |
DYS436 |
DYS437 |
DYS438 |
DYS439 |
DYS389i |
DYS389b |
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11 |
12 |
15 |
12 |
12 |
13 |
16 |
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DYS460 |
DYS461 |
DYS462 |
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11 |
10 |
11 |
N.B.
Family
Tree DNA has now produced a 12-marker version on their website (http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html),
using their marker values in the order in which they are tested. These have
probably been compiled by comparing the Uí Néill results with results from customers with certain
Irish surnames in the Family Tree DNA database. For more information about
these results see the link above.
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They have used these 12 markers to award Niall of the Nine
Hostages badges to certain participants. The badge only appears on exact 12/12
matches. One of the team at Family Tree DNA has said: There are a few markers that characterize this haplotype
and as long as you are not differing on these markers you can probably still
consider a very near match as relevant. It is characterized by 11,13 at DYS
385a/b and 14 at DYS 392. Within our second panel of markers the most
distinctive difference from the R1b Modal is the 15,16,16,17 at DYS 464.
As long as your
participants match on the characteristic markers and are within one step of the
modal haplotype I think you can consider them a
‘match’.
This is Family Tree DNA’s 25-marker version.

This
site also provides a link to a 37-marker result proposed in the Ysearch database (follow the link on the site above). This
was probably calculated by a similar assessment of results from certain
surnames.
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25 |
14 |
11 |
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12 |
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29 |
17 |
9 |
10 |
11 |
11 |
25 |
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30 |
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Y |
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11 |
13 |
23 |
10 |
13 |
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22 |
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Over
1700 years there must have been some variations in descendants’ results.
Eventually it may be possible to identify haplotypes
for particular branches and to get a clearer idea of which variations are most
likely to indicate descent from King Niall.
You
can read a press report on the
Clan Donnachaidh
results – what next?
The
There
will be news shortly about the genealogy program, where participants can record
their line of ancestry in more detail, to assist genealogical research.
Bill
Robertson has been updating a DNA page on the Clan Donnachaidh
International website. The site obtains lots of other information about Clan Donnachaidh background and activities and further
information will be added in due course. You can access the site on http://www.donnachaidhinternational.com/
There is a link on the DNA page to the results.
To
help in assessing relationship patterns, we are in the process of collecting
information from participants on the earliest known place of origin of their
paternal-line ancestors and the name and (approximate) dates of the ancestor in
question.
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The Clan Donnachaidh
DNA project is registered with Family Tree DNA, 1919 North Loop West,